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{ Tuesday, November  4, 2003 }





Hans Ulrich Obrist in conversation with Arata Isozaki



From Trans 9/10. Isozaki is talking here about a transdisciplinary work he was creating with the composer Toru Takemitsu:


As for my part of the collaboration, I called it Ma and subtitled it The Japanese Conception of Space and time. Traditionally, we didn't have a concept for space or for time in Japan, as Western philosophy or thought does. We only had ma. When the concepts arrived in Japan some two hundred years ago, somebody had to translate the words, so chronos was added to ma. Chronos plus ma means time and emptiness plus ma means space. This was how the words were interpreted. But the interesting things is that the word ma already includes both time and space. So, when we think about time, we always think about space at the same time, and inversely...I found this way of thinking very interesting, especially as it's also a notion found in every facet of art, including painting, theatre, performance, music, sculpture, daily life, and architecture. For example, what you call planning, in the sense of a plan for a building, we call "taking the ma arrangement of the ma." since a room is also called ma. So, this simple word is found everywhere, and in every aspect of artististic expression, too. For example, the literal meaning of ma is "the in-between" or the space between object and object, as well as the silence between sound and sound. So, silence and interstices both are ma, which makes it quite significant, but for the Japanese, it's just a part of everyday life, something they would understand authomatically, almost unconsciously. This is probably why I didn't bring this exhibition back to Japan, since the notion is such a commonplace, that everyone would understand it and find nothing curious about it. [laughs] But this was more than 20 years ago now.











	LINK 	| 11:55 AM | TB 





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{ COMMENTS }




Ma is indeed a multivalent word.  But it's silly to say there was no "concept for space or for time in Japan"; toki is 'time' and there are a number of words for various meanings of "space" (tokoro, for instance, in the meaning 'place').  That's not to say Japanese philosophy treated space and time as the West did; I wouldn't know.  But there are words for them.

language hat | November  5, 2003  7:14 AM



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